and michelle, thank you for joining us and helping us with this story to understand it as a journalist. john, i guess the question that a lot of people want to ask is what caused you to go public with this pretty important observation, since you've been experienced in this world, that no one's ever gone through a successful, if you will, or a conversion of any kind from gay to straight? >> i think really one of the most significant things, chris, is that within the gay community, there is definitely a chasm between the gay community and the traditional american church. and it's my greatest objective to make sure that the gay community, people within the gay community understand that there's room at the table for them in a relationship with christ. and i recognized that many things that i've said in the past have communicated that maybe there isn't room. and i want to make sure that there is. >> do you have a sense that this country, well, it's a dumb question, because i think we know the answer. this country is changing its attitudes about orientation, about people who are gay, in your